WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:14.480 This is Hacker Public Radio episode 3,872 for Tuesday 6 June 2023. 00:14.480 --> 00:20.080 Today's show is entitled, Scoti Update with replies. 00:20.080 --> 00:25.480 It is hosted by some guy on the internet and is about 29 minutes long. 00:25.480 --> 00:28.120 It carries a clean flag. 00:28.120 --> 00:41.000 The summary is, Scoti talks about the unknown news and replies to a few HPR shows. 00:41.000 --> 00:44.120 Hello and welcome to another episode of Hacker Public Radio. 00:44.120 --> 00:47.400 I'm your host, some guy on the internet. 00:47.400 --> 00:50.120 First things first, quick announcement. 00:50.120 --> 00:55.120 I've had to pause the unknown news because of minor issues. 00:55.360 --> 01:00.800 It was brought to my attention that quoting news articles may cause an issue in some areas 01:00.800 --> 01:04.480 of the world, areas where fair use may not apply. 01:04.480 --> 01:09.680 The show is going to see some restructure because of that to comply with HPR rules as well. 01:09.680 --> 01:15.720 There was also a mention of syndication which was used as an example to explain something 01:15.720 --> 01:19.240 else but it was misunderstood by me. 01:19.240 --> 01:25.080 So the syndication thing does not apply but I still made my feelings very clear on 01:25.080 --> 01:26.280 that subject. 01:26.280 --> 01:32.160 So I'm still going to wait on a community's response to the mailing list before I continue 01:32.160 --> 01:37.000 with that and depending on what folks have to say about it, we're probably just buried 01:37.000 --> 01:42.360 or we'll continue with it depending on how it goes but that's it for the unknown news 01:42.360 --> 01:43.360 for now. 01:43.360 --> 01:45.480 I'll update you as we learn more. 01:45.800 --> 01:49.720 I just want to say as well, you might hear some loud noises in the background and I can't 01:49.720 --> 01:50.720 help it. 01:50.720 --> 01:56.120 It's motorcycle season and not only that, you've got these guys with these loud cars that 01:56.120 --> 02:00.960 have real loud mufflers and stuff and they're all out there revving up and being silly. 02:00.960 --> 02:05.400 So if you do hear weird noise is in the background, that's what that is. 02:05.400 --> 02:10.800 Okay, now on into the meat of this show, I want to, this is going to be like a reply show. 02:10.880 --> 02:18.320 I wanted to first reply to a hookah who has been doing wonderful shows covering the civilization 02:18.320 --> 02:19.320 game. 02:19.320 --> 02:23.880 I didn't know it at the time but I really like hearing about these strategy games and I would 02:23.880 --> 02:30.880 like to hear more about certain strategies that were used like the meta as we call it today, 02:30.880 --> 02:33.240 the most effective technique available. 02:33.240 --> 02:35.120 That's what meta stands for in games. 02:35.120 --> 02:40.280 I would like to hear more about what techniques that you use and how you like to beat these 02:40.360 --> 02:44.760 games because he mentioned that there were certain strategies of beating the game either 02:44.760 --> 02:48.520 wipe out all the other countries or make it the space first. 02:48.520 --> 02:49.720 I think was the other one. 02:49.720 --> 02:54.920 I like to know what strategy he chose and why he chose it and to keep the shows coming. 02:54.920 --> 02:57.000 I enjoyed very much hearing about it. 02:57.000 --> 03:00.840 I'd also like to point out some of the background information is really nice to know as 03:00.840 --> 03:05.480 well because I always see that Sid Myers in front and I'm thinking like, okay, is this 03:05.560 --> 03:10.840 a company or is this like an actual guy that actually created all these games or how does that 03:10.840 --> 03:11.840 work? 03:11.840 --> 03:16.520 I like having that background information that he pointed out that Sid actually took a back 03:16.520 --> 03:22.600 seat and allow other developers to write using his name so I mean all of that was beneficial. 03:22.600 --> 03:27.080 I especially like the sources that were given in the show as well where you can go and 03:27.080 --> 03:31.640 try some of these games online so if you didn't have much space on your system you could just 03:31.720 --> 03:39.800 play in the browser or the information about how the games drivers were unique to a certain error 03:39.800 --> 03:46.200 and how if you attempted to play the game on newer operating systems you may run into an issue. 03:46.200 --> 03:51.560 And I'm wondering if snap packages would work for something like this if you could select snap 03:51.560 --> 03:56.040 up all those old drivers and everything and kind of just run them today on a modern system. 03:56.040 --> 03:59.480 I don't know, I mean that's worth looking into maybe somebody's already done it. 03:59.480 --> 04:03.320 I don't know but I mean I'm just bringing it up because it was really cool to hear about it 04:03.320 --> 04:09.240 and I think him for putting those shows out. Now onto the next show. Now I just want to say that 04:09.240 --> 04:13.640 if I don't call your show out here it's not that I didn't listen to it. These are just ones that 04:13.640 --> 04:21.000 really kind of peeked in my interest but Andrew Conway did a show on yesterday I saw a solar flare. 04:21.000 --> 04:26.680 Let me just say that I enjoyed this show hearing about the different instruments that are used 04:26.680 --> 04:31.160 as well as the what he called I guess it would be like the disclaimer or whatever you know 04:31.960 --> 04:36.760 we buy new pair of shoes that little packet of a silicate that comes with the shoes that do not eat 04:36.760 --> 04:44.600 packet. I love that he has to make clear. Do not use a telescope like on off the shelf 04:44.600 --> 04:53.000 telescope and go stare at the sun. Yeah that was good. I enjoyed hearing the show. I like I don't know 04:53.000 --> 05:00.440 if this is astronomy or astrology to me it's all just space stuff and I like space stuff. 05:00.440 --> 05:06.760 I remember when I was like like very young and I learned for the first time that the sun was actually 05:06.760 --> 05:15.160 a star and that the star wasn't like this big fireball in the sky right? I remember thinking like what 05:15.160 --> 05:19.640 you mean the sun's not made out of fire? It feels like fire if you stand in the lug and have 05:20.280 --> 05:25.000 I remember when it told me that the sun wasn't made out of fire but the person who told me that 05:25.000 --> 05:31.640 couldn't or didn't take the time I would say to explain what it really was and maybe that was beneficial 05:31.640 --> 05:38.520 because my curiosity led me to you know I have made out of fire why does it burn? So I wanted to 05:38.520 --> 05:44.840 figure that out and I eventually found out but this is again many years ago and I don't think all the 05:44.840 --> 05:51.480 information was provided to me or maybe I just could not understand it at the time but as the 05:51.480 --> 05:57.800 years go on fast forward two modern times you know where you can actually buy a hard drive in the 05:57.800 --> 06:03.000 terabyte sales say it has a modern times where it's back then when I was learning I mean a four 06:03.000 --> 06:07.880 gigabyte hard drive will cost you a fortune and that that was a lot of space back then but in 06:07.960 --> 06:13.240 you um well I'd cost you a fortune if you were on the type of budget I was on anyways but 06:13.240 --> 06:18.840 either way when I finally took the time to say okay I'm gonna figure this out I'm gonna figure out 06:18.840 --> 06:27.400 what the sun really is and it it it took me down this massive rabbit hole into space stuff so I began 06:27.400 --> 06:37.160 learning like it's not a giant trash pile per se but a star really is just a collection of material 06:37.240 --> 06:44.600 which could be mostly gas you know as Andrew pointed out like 75% of it was hydrogen and of course 06:44.600 --> 06:49.480 there's gonna be like rock you know silicate and whatever else that's lying around because when 06:49.480 --> 06:56.760 when it's gravity well begins anything that's nearby gets pulled in so it's gonna be a ton of material 06:56.760 --> 07:02.520 and I remember learning that Jupiter was a failed star so a Jupiter was on its way to becoming a star 07:02.600 --> 07:09.480 but it wasn't enough material maybe Jupiter was the leftover remains after our sun had achieved 07:09.480 --> 07:15.880 nuclear fusion so the the leftover material just got kind of blown away and regrouped into a 07:15.880 --> 07:22.360 new gravity well which became Jupiter you know learning that a bunch of just material in space can 07:22.360 --> 07:29.160 just clump together and once it achieves a certain mass it begins generating friction 07:29.400 --> 07:34.440 within that mass and that friction just like when you rub your hands together get warm in the middle 07:34.440 --> 07:41.240 there that friction creates a ton of heat with the pressure from the outside gravity which causes 07:41.240 --> 07:48.520 the material in the center that hydrogen to begin to heat up in fuse and it begins to shed electrons 07:48.520 --> 07:54.440 and effusion is what we call nuclear fusion and once the star achieves nuclear fusion you know 07:54.520 --> 08:00.360 once it has enough mass and there's enough heat and pressure it will achieve nuclear fusion 08:00.360 --> 08:06.120 and ignite becoming a star now another thing that was really cool about you know learning all of this 08:06.120 --> 08:12.760 I also learned that a lot of that hydrogen also takes on metallic properties because it 08:12.760 --> 08:21.160 becomes a plasma once it is introduced to the right conditions so you'll have what was called 08:21.320 --> 08:27.800 metallic liquid hydrogen or liquid metallic hydrogen which is like a huge percentage of 08:28.360 --> 08:34.600 Jupiter type planets you know gas giants I guess they're called and it's like the mantle of these 08:34.600 --> 08:40.280 things is made up of this plasma and I'm just like whoa you know they totally blown away 08:40.280 --> 08:48.520 by learning all this I mean this hydrogen begins to act as a liquid becomes a plasma and then they get 08:48.520 --> 08:55.960 it it will eventually ignite at some point if it if it breaches the threshold to ignite 08:55.960 --> 09:00.440 to achieve nuclear fusion and become a star so I was wondering like what happens with all 09:00.440 --> 09:06.040 that plasma does it change over into something different so when we learn about the mantle of stars 09:06.040 --> 09:11.560 and a lot of that internal plasma that's down in there and the you know the mantle of the star 09:11.560 --> 09:16.520 does the stars are actually multiple different layers one of the things that happens 09:16.520 --> 09:21.960 is there's an electrical current in there as well and sometimes that current pushes its way out to 09:21.960 --> 09:26.920 the surface or at least this is the way I understand it that current will pushes way up to the 09:26.920 --> 09:33.480 surface and sometimes it'll arc and when these arc currents you know when this happens I'm sure 09:33.480 --> 09:38.760 I'm buttering the whole explanation but you know it'll cause a solar flare basically also I'll 09:38.760 --> 09:44.840 also learn that's how sunspots cause as well because that that current carries that internal plasma 09:44.920 --> 09:51.080 out to the surface of the sun and that plasma will then cool on the surface of the sun now because 09:51.080 --> 09:56.680 it's super heated from you know the mantle the middle of the star when it lands on the surface of 09:56.680 --> 10:02.360 the star it gets darker as it cools and that's a sunspot but that's the plasma from within the 10:02.360 --> 10:09.160 star like the juice in the star we'll get me some star juice and you know every time I hear a 10:09.160 --> 10:14.120 little bit more about space stuff I'm very interested in it because years ago when I first 10:14.120 --> 10:20.520 tried to figure this out it was like either again either I wasn't as interested in it back then 10:20.920 --> 10:27.400 or maybe I just could not fathom it because when I first was able to sit down and understand things 10:27.400 --> 10:33.960 on cosmic scale it was all mind blowing like black holes fascinated me because I thought it was like 10:33.960 --> 10:38.840 you know you take a sheet of paper and then you take a pencil and you punch a hole in the paper 10:38.920 --> 10:44.600 to me that was a black hole you know like something just punched a hole now as time went by 10:44.600 --> 10:51.320 and I began to understand more and more about how these things happened and how stars fuse material 10:51.320 --> 10:59.400 what happens once the star begins to fuse the feet was it fiat iron which is a cosmic ash 10:59.960 --> 11:06.760 that marks the beginning of the end of the star when it begins to fuse iron and I began wondering 11:06.760 --> 11:13.000 like okay so you know you have a black hole which is like the leftovers from a supernova 11:13.000 --> 11:19.560 what sort of material would that be because we know that all the complex material beyond iron 11:19.560 --> 11:24.360 is created when the supernova happens right you know that's how you get uranium gold and all the 11:24.360 --> 11:31.080 other things they get fused during that explosion and then kind of cast outward into the universe to 11:31.160 --> 11:40.520 be used in a planets and whatever else out there but what sort of material was so heavy once fused 11:40.520 --> 11:47.960 could not be projected outward during this mass of explosion because iron is pretty heavy 11:47.960 --> 11:55.240 and absorbing it and it gets cast out so what other material on elemental chart got fused and 11:55.240 --> 12:03.320 could not be expelled yet had enough density to compact into the object that we refer to as the 12:03.320 --> 12:08.360 black hole and these are cool things I'd like to talk about once I begin to understand more about 12:08.360 --> 12:14.520 how it all works but Andrew who he's one of his guys that that puts that spark out there for people 12:14.520 --> 12:18.920 like me to actually go and investigate these kind of things you know talking about the different 12:18.920 --> 12:24.840 filters and things you're going to need if you want to go look at the uh at the sun what you know 12:24.840 --> 12:31.400 with the proper equipment don't go out there and blind yourself using but using on professional equipment 12:31.400 --> 12:36.920 to view the sun and images that he posted were also wonderful I like looking at these images as 12:36.920 --> 12:42.200 well so I thank him very much for putting these show out here and I look forward to more in the future 12:42.200 --> 12:46.920 great show oh look at that I got so carried away talking about space stuff I mean because it's 12:46.920 --> 12:51.960 very exciting stuff when you when you finally sit down and start looking at it or at least it was 12:51.960 --> 12:57.080 from me anyways it was kind of stupid until actually you know I thought who in the world want to you 12:57.080 --> 13:01.800 know last time I checked there was no air in space why would you want to go there that's how I used to 13:01.800 --> 13:07.800 feel about it but yeah see the here I am again getting carried away uh Andrew I got a couple questions 13:07.800 --> 13:14.680 for you and I understand you may not want to speak professionally on these topics and I also want to 13:14.680 --> 13:20.840 point out that I don't know anywhere near about of these topics as you do so if you would like to 13:20.920 --> 13:28.520 entertain my questions that'd be great question one how long do you think we have before to star 13:29.080 --> 13:34.920 that that our our son goes red giant I understand you may not have an answer for that 13:35.560 --> 13:40.040 I understand a lot of people may not have an answer for that but if you if you had a 13:40.760 --> 13:50.760 imaginative backed by education guess if you could just throw that out there with anonymity you know 13:50.760 --> 13:55.160 nobody's going to hold you to it and try to cast that check but we just you know conversation 13:55.160 --> 14:00.840 here if you could guess X amount of years or whatever what would you think that number would be 14:00.840 --> 14:07.000 also how long does the process take to achieve red giant I imagine it's not like one day 14:07.640 --> 14:14.120 regular star the next day red giant you know this process probably happens over I don't know 14:14.120 --> 14:19.880 a thousand years or something yeah another question do you really think mankind is trying to 14:19.880 --> 14:25.400 settle on Mars I don't I personally don't think we're trying to settle you know build a settlement 14:25.400 --> 14:31.080 on Mars I think we probably learned a lot about the other planets that are out there and we're 14:31.080 --> 14:39.080 using Mars is like our nearest playground to I don't know terraforming dealing with radiation 14:39.640 --> 14:44.680 and things that at nature from if you have to leave this planet and go to another one radiation 14:44.680 --> 14:50.760 is one one of the things you're going to find and that's very plentiful in space so my guess is 14:50.760 --> 14:57.000 getting a little bit closer and on the planet with less atmosphere how would one survive and such 14:57.000 --> 15:05.240 a heavily toxic and just it just seems like death all around no atmosphere tons of radiation 15:05.240 --> 15:10.760 almost no water at least now that we can find and if we do manage to find water maybe that technique 15:10.840 --> 15:15.240 will apply elsewhere in the universe yeah so I mean do you think we're actually trying to 15:15.240 --> 15:20.920 settle on Mars because I don't especially with the whole red giant thing gloomy and I'd also like to 15:20.920 --> 15:26.760 ask you you know with all the talk of global warming and things and I get it this this kind of 15:26.760 --> 15:31.960 hits that political bell for a lot of people you know ding ding ding ding he's talking politics no 15:31.960 --> 15:38.200 I'm talking space stuff right I'm not going to call it science because I don't have enough knowledge 15:38.200 --> 15:43.560 to do science but I can do space stuff that's an official term by the way going to here on the 15:43.560 --> 15:52.200 HPR do you think that when the change begins to happen the the government or the the governing 15:52.200 --> 15:59.080 bodies the scientists and everyone else who who monitor the change you think they'll tell it true 15:59.080 --> 16:04.120 I mean you think they'll actually put the information out there they know you're not causing this 16:04.200 --> 16:12.440 change because you revved up your car an extra five minutes but because you know this is natural 16:12.440 --> 16:19.400 all stars will eventually undergo some change and this is what our star will do as a result of 16:19.400 --> 16:25.960 that it's going to get warm and it's going to continue to get warmer and well you know the result 16:25.960 --> 16:32.520 of red giant so you think they'll tell it true I have to honestly wonder about it these days because 16:32.600 --> 16:37.400 I look at all these billionaires building their ships trying to quickly build a rocket that could 16:37.400 --> 16:42.840 lift up off of the planet go into space and then return it's though they're trying to carry as 16:42.840 --> 16:48.280 much of their junk in the space and get it somewhere safe as fast as possible you know to me 16:48.280 --> 16:54.200 meanwhile everybody will be talking all this buncher you know it's politics hey and it's politics there 16:54.200 --> 17:00.280 and all of that and meanwhile the sun's just doing this thing over there it's eventually gonna you know 17:00.360 --> 17:05.400 change a little more over time and there'll be people here on the planet with instruments looking 17:05.400 --> 17:10.680 up at it you think they'll be allowed to tell it you think they'll be allowed to just you know 17:10.680 --> 17:18.440 flat out says this is stage one of red giant we can expect these changes to happen to the ocean 17:19.000 --> 17:26.040 to the trees etc etc honestly I don't yeah I don't think they'll tell us what's actually happening 17:26.120 --> 17:33.000 I mean for those who want to find out you possibly can find out but I don't think you'll have 17:33.000 --> 17:41.000 all of the information so much of the how long do we have you know to count down that will be kept 17:41.000 --> 17:46.440 on on hush hush and anyone who tries to release it there'll be some sort of penalty for that 17:47.000 --> 17:52.280 in my opinion and I would like to know your opinion on the things that I've brought up but that's 17:52.280 --> 17:59.000 enough on space stuff great show I really enjoy space stuff all right so next next show I want 17:59.000 --> 18:07.480 to talk about here this is a reply to archer 72 he did a show on the firefox extensions another 18:07.480 --> 18:14.200 great show can fall and did a show on the firefox extensions as well I love hearing about what 18:14.200 --> 18:21.800 people are using out there I'm a little too paranoid to use firefox extensions I will I'm 18:21.880 --> 18:30.280 finally making the transition away from the one I do use and that's the multi account container 18:30.280 --> 18:35.720 tabs whatever you call it's made by firefox but you know I'll talk more about that in the future 18:35.720 --> 18:41.160 I don't want to bore you too much with my crap but hearing about these things I think it's fantastic 18:41.160 --> 18:47.160 especially I'd dark read one I've tested that in the past and I found it to be interesting and 18:47.240 --> 18:55.400 I want to know especially today 2023 why is it more sites don't have just dark mode I mean 18:55.400 --> 19:00.440 it's it's made pretty clear that a lot of people use dark mode a lot of people like dark mode 19:00.440 --> 19:06.360 and I think that if I don't know if you wanted someone to subscribe to your material one of the things 19:06.360 --> 19:12.040 you could offer is a dark mode for a subscriber's right or you could just implement a dark mode 19:12.040 --> 19:17.560 because why not you know better for your eyes a lot of people love dark mode and it doesn't 19:17.560 --> 19:26.200 seem to be a very difficult thing to implement but then again I'm not a web dev a web dev or any of 19:26.200 --> 19:32.280 that so you know speculations galore and I want to I want to know do you do you use the 19:33.000 --> 19:38.280 what's it called now it's not it's not the master pass thing is a primary password on firefox 19:38.360 --> 19:44.440 I know you mentioned that you do use the bit warden with the bit warden uh extension so I'm assuming 19:44.440 --> 19:51.800 you don't store any passwords actually in firefox and I didn't this I will offer as a recommendation 19:51.800 --> 19:59.960 for people do not store passwords in your web browser I'm not saying that all the bad things will 19:59.960 --> 20:06.200 happen because you do that I'm just saying if you want to be a little bit safer I would avoid 20:06.200 --> 20:13.080 storing passwords in your web browser so web browsers like chrome and firefox give you the option 20:13.080 --> 20:19.160 to save your passwords there but I wouldn't do what they I mean there's been shady behavior in the 20:19.160 --> 20:24.840 past with this kind of stuff and I just I just would not do it not to mention if you are sharing 20:24.840 --> 20:32.200 a PC in your household or whatever like with your kids or home ever by saving those passwords 20:32.200 --> 20:38.040 in your web browser that means when a person goes you know the person you also share that PC with 20:38.040 --> 20:44.120 if you don't have accounts separated you know what you log out and then allow them to log it 20:44.120 --> 20:50.840 into a guest account if you just hand over your laptop with you logged in as the administrator 20:50.840 --> 20:55.480 with your web browser that has all of your passwords stored with an it you know what I mean 20:56.440 --> 21:02.200 you can just hand that over I mean that's bad do you don't want to do that but here I am I'm 21:02.200 --> 21:07.560 going off on all sorts of stuff again good show archer wonderful show and I like hearing about 21:07.560 --> 21:14.040 what technology other people are using how how are you utilizing technology again I'll just mention 21:14.040 --> 21:19.320 here really quickly I've listened to pretty much every show I'll take comes out because I listen to a 21:19.320 --> 21:25.800 lot of podcasts and audio books that's what I do most of the time I rarely watch any TV if I 21:25.800 --> 21:30.600 watch anything it will be YouTube but these are just the shows that really kind of peek my interest 21:30.600 --> 21:36.200 here that I'm that I'm bringing up and glad to went uh glad to the uh two shows that I want to 21:36.200 --> 21:41.880 bring up one depending toy um uh figurines I think it was something like that but I thought that was 21:41.880 --> 21:48.680 pretty cool I honestly thought that this was like different colors of plastic as well you know like 21:48.680 --> 21:52.840 in the 3D printer or something you just print with the blue plastic here it didn't read plastic 21:52.840 --> 21:57.800 there and whatever else you know that's what I thought it was I did not know like a human actually 21:57.800 --> 22:05.720 sat there and painted a figurine so this was you know this was the interesting to learn now doing it 22:05.720 --> 22:13.480 as a hobby um it sounds fun I like hearing about class 2 doing it and I like hearing about his 22:13.480 --> 22:18.280 reasons for doing it that was very interesting he likes finding things away from the computer 22:18.680 --> 22:24.040 so I guess if you work with a computer from most of your life you try to find a way away from the 22:24.040 --> 22:30.520 computer whereas with me I'm behind the wheel so I try to get closer to the computer when I can 22:31.560 --> 22:38.040 so it's you know as unique to hear how we all either you know move toward or away from it I like 22:38.040 --> 22:44.040 hearing his reasons for painting the figurines and that the skateboarding thing was interesting as 22:44.040 --> 22:49.320 well I did this skating or skateboarding it was something like that that he did to show on 22:49.320 --> 22:54.840 in the past which was pretty nice like hearing about these activities and I also I didn't know 22:54.840 --> 22:59.880 that painting well now that I think about it because he did mention that there are different types 22:59.880 --> 23:04.120 of paint you can get the acrylic paints that you can get like the cheaper ones that you would 23:04.120 --> 23:10.040 make sure yourself but apparently this can be an expensive thing because especially if you do like 23:10.040 --> 23:15.400 dungeons and dragons I remember watching a video in the past where this guy had his own custom 23:15.400 --> 23:21.240 dungeons and dragons kind of bored with him and all his friends get together and play and he had rules 23:21.240 --> 23:25.880 where they weren't allowed to touch the figurines and now I kind of get it if you had to actually 23:25.880 --> 23:32.120 sit there and paint all of it as by hand these becomes like labors of love you don't want 23:32.120 --> 23:36.760 people just kind of thumb and all over it doesn't tell them with finger oils and all you know 23:36.760 --> 23:41.320 if they're eating snacks and he agrees you fingers put all that junk all over the figurine you 23:41.320 --> 23:45.960 know so I kind of understand it more not to mention if somebody's a little bit childish want to 23:45.960 --> 23:51.800 play around with it and they break the figurine at pro so good show there also the other one he did 23:51.800 --> 23:57.720 with when did the internet become boring I thought that was very interesting from the title I thought 23:57.720 --> 24:06.040 he was gonna go more into the whole you know chat GPT thing with people using what they like to 24:06.040 --> 24:13.160 call AI in air quotes to generate all of this bunch of false feedback and I thought that's what he was 24:13.160 --> 24:20.600 gonna you know be the primary thing but it was very interesting because he he broke down the 24:21.320 --> 24:29.480 speaking versus listening and how the listening is only there partially you know one person will 24:29.480 --> 24:35.560 say something and just poof go away and then when people reply to the head I mean they do the 24:35.560 --> 24:42.200 exact same thing they're not there to listen and and gain from what is being contributed they just 24:42.200 --> 24:48.520 want to react something and just disappear I thought that was pretty cool because I I I feel that way 24:48.520 --> 24:55.160 as well but hearing him articulated he gave voice to what I was feeling and I I'm very thankful for 24:55.160 --> 25:02.280 that show I mean I felt that way when I you know back when I was using Facebook part of the reason 25:02.280 --> 25:08.840 that I left was there was less and less human engagement you know everybody just wanted to spam 25:08.840 --> 25:15.000 memes or just yell and then poof go away you know say something crazy and disappear so anything 25:15.000 --> 25:21.480 were read it like the upvote downvote thing I thought it was supposed to serve a purpose but it 25:21.480 --> 25:29.720 gets misused so often you know often people will not even explain why they like something or dislike 25:29.720 --> 25:34.920 something is just that cheap little downvote and keep moving and then it starts to snowball effect 25:34.920 --> 25:40.920 other people just downvote just because the downloading had occurred may not even read the statement 25:40.920 --> 25:47.000 really it's not okay it's already got about 20 downvotes let me add another engagement just gets lost 25:47.000 --> 25:51.720 and I remember the old days on the internet it was the wild west as well and I'm not going to pretend 25:51.720 --> 25:58.600 like it was perfect you got your head chewed off royally back then there were rooms back back then 25:58.600 --> 26:06.040 I used to be on a Yahoo messenger as well there were rooms called the fight rooms in Yahoo messenger 26:06.120 --> 26:12.840 and this was all voice chat by the way where people literally went just to string together 26:12.840 --> 26:20.600 profane insults toward each other but it and believed it or not it was not done out of hatred it was 26:20.600 --> 26:27.720 like people went to blow off steam and they knew they had an audience afterward many of the people 26:27.720 --> 26:32.760 who were just cursing each other out would leave going to another room and then start talking about 26:32.840 --> 26:38.120 things they like I'm not kidding you now I went there just to get a good laugh I had that's where I 26:38.120 --> 26:43.160 got my degree in swearing listening to all of these people just you know cursing the 26:43.160 --> 26:50.680 healthy the whole time so it was interesting and funny that's where also formed the opinion that 26:50.680 --> 26:58.600 the English are better cursed swear swears I don't know what title you'll give someone for swearing 26:58.680 --> 27:03.640 you know other than being vulgar but I mean you know if if you had to have a title for it you 27:03.640 --> 27:09.240 know as in receiving a trophy I think would they call it silver tongue or something like that but 27:09.240 --> 27:15.880 whatever the English used to swear up a storm and it would be funny because the accent to sort of 27:15.880 --> 27:22.360 added like 10% more you know humor to it when they would swear and plus they would use funny words 27:22.360 --> 27:27.480 you know like the English slang and whatever else that there were you all man I had a good time 27:27.480 --> 27:32.920 I'm not going to repeat any of it here but I had a great time listening to it but yeah those I mean 27:32.920 --> 27:38.200 there was a lot of engagement back then you if you wanted to talk to somebody you would speak to 27:38.200 --> 27:45.720 them they would reply to you now again it was the Wild West so sometimes that reply you got was 27:46.280 --> 27:55.800 you know abrasive but you got it today a lot of the times I mean there's no I'm hearing more 27:55.800 --> 28:02.120 more about how you get this AI generated crap so not a big fan of it even down to the reviews 28:02.680 --> 28:08.360 I love reviews like when I'm looking for products even if I have no intention of purchasing that 28:08.360 --> 28:13.720 product a lot of the times there is the reviews are pretty interesting learning how people 28:14.120 --> 28:20.200 use the product and what they want to share about the product is just nice to read and when you 28:20.280 --> 28:26.280 learned it there's you know basically they're using AI to generate a bunch of fake reviews and now 28:26.280 --> 28:31.640 you got to sift through all of that and just you know it really kills the joy on a lot of things 28:31.640 --> 28:37.160 so that I'm liking you now the matrix because I kind of know I'm going to be talking to a human being 28:37.160 --> 28:42.280 there or here on hacker public radio like I know we're going to be dealing with human beings here 28:42.280 --> 28:48.440 and squials don't forgive the squials let me mask to dawn you can kind of include them to it 28:48.520 --> 28:52.760 and I'm not talking about the box that just kind of you know they have like the fettie verse 28:52.760 --> 28:58.600 bot even HPR has their bot to kind of not talking about those bots but I mean human interaction 28:58.600 --> 29:05.400 and engagement online really feels like it's it's not going to book it's not going away but it's 29:05.400 --> 29:11.000 changing for the worse so thank you for that show collective I think it's a fantastic show and that's 29:11.000 --> 29:16.200 all of my replies I've rambled for a long time and my mouth has become a super dry so hopefully 29:16.280 --> 29:23.160 I'm now making too many mouth noises here and I'll get back to you guys with more shows in the future 29:23.160 --> 29:28.840 thank you for making HPR shows I love them all they're all great and this is my reply to just a few 29:28.840 --> 29:37.560 of them take it easy you have been listening to hacker public radio as hacker public radio does 29:37.560 --> 29:43.480 work today's show was contributed by a hate for your listening like yourself if you ever thought 29:43.480 --> 29:51.240 of a coin podcast click on our 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